Curse

Bithor the Dog · Jul 29, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

It is a good thing I reported this thread as it is, as i feared going wayyy off topic and now I am being accused of being a nazi !! WTF!

"You again argue that because everyone else is throwing Jews into the ovens it should be ok for anyone to do it"

...ERR NO I DIDNT...I never said anything of the sort so i suggest you retract that statement! Right now!

Fitz...Please...please...its a game...not life...go live yours how you want ill do that same thing with mine...stop bringing religion and morals into a suggestion about a GAME

Fitz Rinley · Jul 29, 2007, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by Bithor the Dog

It is a good thing I reported this thread as it is, as i feared going wayyy off topic and now I am being accused of being a nazi !! WTF!

"You again argue that because everyone else is throwing Jews into the ovens it should be ok for anyone to do it"

...ERR NO I DIDNT...I never said anything of the sort so i suggest you retract that statement! Right now!

Fitz...Please...please...its a game...not life...go live yours how you want ill do that same thing with mine...stop bringing religion and morals into a suggestion about a GAME

Since I have not called you a Nazi I have nothing to retract. Try reading what is written. It is a pattern of logic. You are using the same pattern of logic. You are saying, "Well if everyone commits murder then it must become ok to commit murder. If everyone cheats it must become ok to cheat. If everyone lies on their taxes then it must be ok to lie on one's taxes." As long as it is popular you advocate that it is morally right. And anyone who wishes to eliminate morals from suggestions for the game is also by default seeking to eliminate moral behavior in the game. If you do not wish to play morally, then I do not wish you to play, do business, or remain outside of jail. If it is your intention to live a moral life then you have no disagreement with anything I have supported or the OP's intention. Having a better solution to attain the same ends would be even more appropriate, and equally moral. Instead you have proposed nothing which would increase player egalitee, but only proferred the maintenance of a system of abuse, charlatanry, and elitism.

Bithor the Dog · Jul 29, 2007, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

Since I have not called you a Nazi I have nothing to retract. Try reading what is written. It is a pattern of logic. You are using the same pattern of logic. You are saying, "Well if everyone commits murder then it must become ok to commit murder. If everyone cheats it must become ok to cheat. If everyone lies on their taxes then it must be ok to lie on one's taxes." As long as it is popular you advocate that it is morally right. And anyone who wishes to eliminate morals from suggestions for the game is also by default seeking to eliminate moral behavior in the game. If you do not wish to play morally, then I do not wish you to play, do business, or remain outside of jail. If it is your intention to live a moral life then you have no disagreement with anything I have supported or the OP's intention. Having a better solution to attain the same ends would be even more appropriate, and equally moral. Instead you have proposed nothing which would increase player egalitee, but only proferred the maintenance of a system of abuse, charlatanry, and elitism.

No you didnt CALL me one you implied it by that statement. again your going off topic by bringing outside morals and ideals into a GAME...
Go and play it for petes sake and stop waffling about philosophical claptrap.
What the heck is egalitee....i cant even define it on a search engine, and i think you meant elgality.
Saying "you condone gassing of jewish people" ...to someone implicates they agree to it and that was a fundemental background to nazism. Ergo, the implication you called me one...whether you like it or not you are full of yourself and hardly anyone agrees with you. You are inciting a flame war and ya know.....you are boring me, so im leaving this thread,
Its not discussing anything about the GAME and suggestions, merely what you see as right or wrong and not even taking anyone elses thoughts, or ideals into consideration.
You are not bringing any ideas to the thread of any sort, no compramises no different thoughts. You are dead set on telling everyone they are wrong if they dont agree to your mind set....and that smacks of such a narcissistic personality its unbelievable.
You just earned a passage to my ignore list before i say something that will get me a ticking off by the mods

bye bye

Fitz Rinley · Jul 31, 2007, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Egalitee is the proper spelling from which the English egality is derived. Egalitee deals with persons being holistically equal, where as English confuses it with equality and applies it as requiring numerical sameness.

I used a description of a process showing where others have applied your belief that popularity of an action implies it is morally acceptable. That function of moral relativity is exactly why moral relativity has no moral foundation and is a philosophy which fails its adherants. When you apply your moral relativity to the game the rest of us also play you destroy egalitee between us by justifying any action which any person seeks to do no matter how self-centered, how heinous, how destructive. As most westerners have no moral training beyond ethical relativism and ethical selfishness it does not surprise me when suggestions are made that they play and live fair.

The OP has suggested a system where a level playing field would be established in the game. I have previously in other places suggested we need merchants for mods and skins, or that skins could be purchased with Balthazar Faction - thus giving PvE players a reason to PvP. This has been ignored in order to continue facilitating the self-centered power tripping market that now exists instead of allowing people to express themselves in the manner in which they wish to see their characters for entertainment.

Snow Bunny · Jul 31, 2007, 04:53 PM // 16:53

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

No and bull. There is never a social environment that is not the place for ethical action. Further, an axiom of the Jesuits, “No economic decision can be made that does not have ethical and social consequences.”
In this case I would say you supported the EULA violation market that comes from those who buy gold on-line. No one, I repeat, No one, can have that kind of money unless they have violated the EULA and are therefore criminals in intent, if not in fact. If they did not violate it directly, they have received their wealth trading on the expectation of gain in the corrupt system: placing their prices at levels or accepting payment at levels that only stem from the illicit actions.

Intelligence is amoral, what one does with it is a moral or immoral action. Further, a part of the essential elements of information that make up intelligent economy, is avoidance of excesses or moderating one’s expections. Buying low and selling high is moral if and only if the prices remain ceteris paribus and keep egalitee of quid pro quo among all players.

The only way to observe equity of enjoyment for all players as a train-wreck is to find satisfaction in superiority/ego tripping over and against others who also paid for their copy of the game. Equity does not mean all players must have the same appearance and commit to the same actions, but that they all have equal access to the appearances they want and the entertainment they are seeking without having it restricted or controlled out of their power by other players. Egregious pricing and sales, like your 210k for a bow, fits exactly into this category.

First, moral relativism is the absolute lack of moral foundation. All neo-modern philosophies so based lack any fundamental reason to prevent genocidal concentration camps, murder, theft, sexual assault, etc. Afterall, it is the Free-thinkers right to disregard all such conventions as they have a separate morality from the truly ethical. So, all of your argument from there down only supports a hedonistic anarchism as a basis for life and gaming.

You again argue that because everyone else is throwing Jews into the ovens it should be ok for anyone to do it. It is the same logic pattern. Still, Popularity of an action does not make it morally correct. Improving an item for resale is not an issue. The excessive destruction of game enjoyment: the turning of an adventure into hours upon hours of mindless farming and street corner racketeering just to get a skin or mod is wrong; no matter how many people have gotten caught up in it just because everyone else is.

This is being taken way too seriously.
Also....it's very easy to amass 210k...I'm done with this thread...it's just devolved into a very odd flame fest.